paperhanging-digest Saturday, September 27 1997 Volume 01 : Number 006
In this issue:
Re: PHLIST: COUNTERPOINT [LUSHYVO@aol.com]
PHLIST: $$$$$$$ [jparodi@warwick.net]
Re: PHLIST: Guild Holiday [PamBme@aol.com]
Re: PHLIST: now really...humph... [PamBme@aol.com]
Re: PHLIST: can i can i [PamBme@aol.com]
Re: PHLIST: Rock the Vote [Walter Green <prospeak@mindspring.com>]
Re: PHLIST: can i can i [Walter Green <prospeak@mindspring.com>]
Re: PHLIST: Guild Holiday [Walter Green <prospeak@mindspring.com>]
Re: PHLIST: $$$$$$$ [Walter Green <prospeak@mindspring.com>]
Re: PHLIST: Rock the Vote [LUSHYVO@aol.com]
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 06:48:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: LUSHYVO@aol.com
Subject: Re: PHLIST: COUNTERPOINT
Thanks Mike for your response. It was well said and worth waiting for.
Lou Schiavo, CP
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:28:29 -0700
From: jparodi@warwick.net
Subject: PHLIST: $$$$$$$
Warning: The following text contains nothing about paperhanging and may
be of little interest to anyone.
ìMoney Is Honey, Leoî.......Zero Mostel, 1968 , ìThe Producersî
Thank you Mr. Kelley for responding to my post concerning Guild issues.
During the coming weeks I would like to break down and examine some of
your points. For today, since I have imposed a temporary gag order on
myself (for a change) not to talk about non-Guild related matters for
those who have grown tired of the discussion, I would talk about
something that is near an dear to many peopleís hearts. We all know love
makes the world go round , but to quote the song in ìCabaretî,
money
does too.
If I were to meet yíall (list people) in a cabaret, I would ,first of
all , definitely like to buy Gail a drink. and some others whoís
spunkiness I admire. Depending on the cabaret, a drink may cost $2 to
$10 (yes $10, if it were among the spires of Manhattan). If she
protested, I would say that it was ìforî her tireless efforts with
this
list. The reason she might protest is because there is cultural baggage
associated with the act of a man buying a woman a drink in certain
parts. Even though Iím sure Gail is a woman of unassailable virtue,
there still exists the possibility that she would think it was ì forî
something else.
Letís suppose that during our drink, I offered her a crisp $100 bill.
Ií m sure she would be surprised and ask, ìWhatís that
ìforî?î. I would
say it was ìforî helping to defray some of the costs of the PH
list and
with that understanding I hope she would accept it.
Letí also imagine that when each and every one of you went to your
mailbox this week there was a check from me made out to you in the
amount of $25. Would you cash it? If you did, what would you be
thinking.--might it be ìWhat did Parodi send this to me ìforî?í
If you
simply cashed it without a thought, stop and think, would you do the
same if it were made out in the amount of $250?
Maybe itís just me, but if my neighbor knocked on my door and peeled
off
5 $100 bills and gave them to me for being a great guy, Iím sure I
would thank him kindly, but I would never accept the money. Should the
mental health facilitator haul me away? Call me suspicious, call me
crazy (throw in anal retentive too) but I wouldnít be able to have the
money, not knowing what it was really ìfor.î They say that sex
changes
a relationship but money always does too. You see, even if it was for
simply being a great guy, I would be uncomfortable with the spin it put
on our relationship. I would probably feel more obliged to mow a little
further onto his property or get on a ladder to prune the tree that
encroached on his yard. I hate the feeling of being beholden to someone
(except my wife ). It is probably the main reason I became a paperhanger
and my own boss.
Cross my heart, this happened yesterday. When I finished a one day job
and we were settling up I said, ìThat was $285--cash or check?î.
The
man (who was home to supervise--I had estimated the job with the woman
home) said, ìNo it wasnít, it was $385î. We actually argued
about it
until he was able to fish out the estimate from a pile of papers. Of
course, it was $285 and he paid me.
Could I have taken the $385. His house was huge and expensive, there was
a three car garage with a Porsche under a wrap, I know that this
clerical error would never be discovered and that $100 meant almost
nothing to him. As far as my integrity goes, money means a lot and that
$100 meant everything to me.
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:17:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: PamBme@aol.com
Subject: Re: PHLIST: Guild Holiday
PLEASE GET ME OFF OF THIS MAILING LIST !!!!
..........................PamBme..................................
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:23:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: PamBme@aol.com
Subject: Re: PHLIST: now really...humph...
PLEASE TAKE MY NAME OFF OF THIS MAILING LIST !!!.............PamBme
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:25:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: PamBme@aol.com
Subject: Re: PHLIST: can i can i
PLEASE GET MY NAME OFF OF THIS MAILING LIST !!!
................PamBme.......................
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:11:54 -0400
From: Walter Green <prospeak@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: PHLIST: Rock the Vote
Well said Larry!
At 08:01 AM 9/25/97 -0400, you wrote:
>For the record. When programs are initiated within the organization and
it
>has been recommended by the leadership (who has been voted in) I feel it
>doesn't warrent a vote from the membership. The purpose of a Board is to
>lead the organization representing our common interest, paperhanging craft.
> Along the way we develope relationships with the trade related industry.
> There are many parts that make up the wallcovering industry and paperhangers
>are just one part. The CP program was started in my opinion to show the
>industry even though we are independent business people the idea was to
let
>them know we are experts in our field. The NGPP was started on this
>premises. The CP was just another step to add clout to our profession. I
>myself am a CP, however the concept is fine, the process to which we
>assertain the status definetly needs work. We need to put more emphasis
on
>experience, education, envolvement in our assocation and other trade related
>programs and a test should only be a small part of the program but necessary
>to put credibility with the program. Nothing wrong with the idea of CP.
> What we need is an agenda that going through a process and earning the
>status of CP will mean something . Call it jumping through hoops, whatever,
>a program such is this should be based on your experience and knowledge
as a
>highly skilled paperhanger . Minimual hanging experience and book knowledge
>is not the answer. The program should be a combination of above metioned
but
>emphasize on the skill in various wallcoverings, not just one or two types.
> A test study book should be written by the experts who have demonstrated
and
>is recognized in the industry. What I'm suggesting is The John Cox, ASPA,
>Stan Warshaw, USSPH, Bob Kelly, Showroom Handbook for Wallpaper Installation,
>Dan Jackson, GENCORP, David Groff, Complete Guide to Wallpapering, Jim
>Turner, Paperhanger, writer for Trade Magazines, (out of print- Modern
>Wallcoverings, by Guy Cooper and Selwyn Mills) experts in various
>adhesive/primer industry, tools/equipment should be commision to come
>together and write the text for the CP program. Talk about clout!! Name
>recognition and respect in their area of expetise will put meat in the
>program. Does it cost, you bet. Will it be worth it? You decide.
> Bottom-line if such a program is to exist and those who want to have the
>status as CP will know it will take time with alot of hard work and resources
>(money). The CP is a program for all professional paperhangers,not a benefit
>for being a member of the NGPP.
>
>Larry Duval, President
>Atlant Chapter
>LDWS1978@aol.com
>
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:22:44 -0400
From: Walter Green <prospeak@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: PHLIST: can i can i
At 04:16 PM 9/25/97 -0400, you wrote:
>In response to norman Meunier recent letter:
>
>I wanna be a "SUPER SUPER BORDER AND SWITCHPLATE C.P PHD."
>
>
>CAN I, CAN I, HUH, HUH, CAN I
>
>happy trails
>jim grumbley
>L.A. CHAPTER
>
NO!, but we do have a specialization in Anal Retentive Seam Picking and and
Visual Acuity via Virtual Reality. You are a graduate student?...
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:28:39 -0400
From: Walter Green <prospeak@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: PHLIST: Guild Holiday
The trick I use to decide up and down on most products is lighting.
Something I learned from an artist. Paintings are always lit from the top
dowm. Logical, right? The sun shines from above. The highlights should be
on top and the shadows on bottom... Hasn't failed me so far, but you know
wallcoverings. The exception to the rule is just around the corner. Walter
Green, Atlanta
At 06:26 PM 9/25/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I propose a one or two day moratorium on Guild related matters. Not that
>I don't enjoy discussing them, but just so that we can trick those who
>are just tuning in into thinking that this is paperhanger's chat not
>just Guild chat. Any one second that?
>
>Hey! How about those borders. I had one a few months ago and I really
>couldn't decide what was up or down. It was one of those asymmetrical
>things with a dark color on the bottom (or is it the top) and a light
>color on the top (etc.). Nobody was home of course. Just try explaining
>it over the phone to the customer about what the heck you are talking
>about. She couldn't remember what was up or down. The book was not in
>the store for reference. There were no grapes hanging down, no vines
>growing up. Don't you hate when that happens. I hung it with the darker
>color on the bottom since dark it "weightier" to me and just by
chance
>turned out to be right.
>A paperhanger friend just gave me that "Border's Edge" tool for
inlaying
>borders. Anybody got one/use one. Any tips for us Luddites.
>And how about inlaying borders. I find myself rarely overlaying borders
>on the sidewall paper. I overlay only when removal of the first sidewall
>strip is not possible. It is usually a paper-paper and evaporation has
>caused it to dry already. I still recommend Muralo 8900 for it's ability
>to not rewet for many hours (at least 8) so that inlaying is a breeze
>with vinyls. Do people around the US inlay for the most part? Is Muralo
>available in most areas? The reason I ask is that it is distributed in
>spots around here but certainly not everywhere. I have to drive to NJ
>(about 35 mins. ) to stock up.
>
>Apropos of nothing: If my truck hit a bump and one tool fell out, the
>item that I would miss most is my radio. I'm sure there are those who
>feel the same way about their beaten up paste-encrusted appliance. I
>usually listen to Talk Radio but sometimes I play music loud if there's
>nobody home. I used to go through one radio per year until I bought a
>JVC in 1990. I would enter it in any competition for the ugliest, most
>decrepit looking boom box ever to go through the paperhanging wars yet
>it refuses to die.
>
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:43:25 -0400
From: Walter Green <prospeak@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: PHLIST: $$$$$$$
At 09:28 AM 9/26/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Warning: The following text contains nothing about paperhanging and may
>be of little interest to anyone.
>
>
>
>
>"Money Is Honey, Leo".......Zero Mostel, 1968 , "The Producers"
>
>Thank you Mr. Kelley for responding to my post concerning Guild issues.
>During the coming weeks I would like to break down and examine some of
>your points. For today, since I have imposed a temporary gag order on
>myself (for a change) not to talk about non-Guild related matters for
>those who have grown tired of the discussion, I would talk about
>something that is near an dear to many people's hearts. We all know love
>makes the world go round , but to quote the song in "Cabaret",
money
>does too.
>
>If I were to meet y'all (list people) in a cabaret, I would ,first of
>all , definitely like to buy Gail a drink. and some others who's
>spunkiness I admire. Depending on the cabaret, a drink may cost $2 to
>$10 (yes $10, if it were among the spires of Manhattan). If she
>protested, I would say that it was "for" her tireless efforts
with this
>list. The reason she might protest is because there is cultural baggage
>associated with the act of a man buying a woman a drink in certain
>parts. Even though I'm sure Gail is a woman of unassailable virtue,
>there still exists the possibility that she would think it was "for"
>something else.
>Let's suppose that during our drink, I offered her a crisp $100 bill.
>I' m sure she would be surprised and ask, "What's that "for"?".
I would
>say it was "for" helping to defray some of the costs of the PH
list and
>with that understanding I hope she would accept it.
>Let' also imagine that when each and every one of you went to your
>mailbox this week there was a check from me made out to you in the
>amount of $25. Would you cash it? If you did, what would you be
>thinking.--might it be "What did Parodi send this to me "for"?'
If you
>simply cashed it without a thought, stop and think, would you do the
>same if it were made out in the amount of $250?
>Maybe it's just me, but if my neighbor knocked on my door and peeled off
>5 $100 bills and gave them to me for being a great guy, I'm sure I
>would thank him kindly, but I would never accept the money. Should the
>mental health facilitator haul me away? Call me suspicious, call me
>crazy (throw in anal retentive too) but I wouldn't be able to have the
>money, not knowing what it was really "for." They say that sex
changes
>a relationship but money always does too. You see, even if it was for
>simply being a great guy, I would be uncomfortable with the spin it put
>on our relationship. I would probably feel more obliged to mow a little
>further onto his property or get on a ladder to prune the tree that
>encroached on his yard. I hate the feeling of being beholden to someone
>(except my wife ). It is probably the main reason I became a paperhanger
>and my own boss.
>Cross my heart, this happened yesterday. When I finished a one day job
>and we were settling up I said, "That was $285--cash or check?".
The
>man (who was home to supervise--I had estimated the job with the woman
>home) said, "No it wasn't, it was $385". We actually argued about
it
>until he was able to fish out the estimate from a pile of papers. Of
>course, it was $285 and he paid me.
>Could I have taken the $385. His house was huge and expensive, there was
>a three car garage with a Porsche under a wrap, I know that this
>clerical error would never be discovered and that $100 meant almost
>nothing to him. As far as my integrity goes, money means a lot and that
>$100 meant everything to me.
>
Mr. Parodi, You are obviously a man of great Character. I, on the other
hand, am "ethically challenged". Send me the hundred bucks. I called
my
Certified Psychic Hot Line tonight and she said it was OK, I'd get over it.
Thanks!
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:40:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: LUSHYVO@aol.com
Subject: Re: PHLIST: Rock the Vote
Excellent response Larry.
Lou Schiavo, CP
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